Fabrice
A director of a migrant centre in Geneva. Interviewed in February, 2018 at Centre de la Roseraie in Geneva, Switzerland.Translated from French and edited for content. Photograph and video by Martina Bacigalupo © 2018.
It’s been a long time since I’ve been able to take time alone for myself like this. I am usually in movement, all energy. Here it was internal and that was good. I was at ease with the camera as well. It felt good to listen to the complexities that are inside me, you know? We hear so many things, we experience so many things. I experience so many things. I am inhabited by so many stories, events, so many, many, noises. So many. Things that speak to me very strongly, things that speak to me much less, because I don’t relate to them as much.
I must do a lot of work inside myself to sometimes put things aside because I feel so strongly about things, you see? Like, often I’ll be speaking to someone, and I’ll feel the tears welling up in my eyes, you know? The other person hasn’t said anything special, but all of a sudden, I feel like this person is not feeling well right now, you know? And then, when that happens, I tell myself that I must protect myself, “Come on, it’s not possible, to be so permeable, so connected.” Sometimes it’s intense. Then again, sometimes you want to do it, so it works out well.
I felt a lot of anger in me, a lot of joy too. I think this is what makes up my center of gravity, my balance too. I feel so strongly the complexities of things. And at the same thing you wish things were simple, because life is simple, after all, but at the same time…
In my heart of hearts, it’s complex, because on one hand I want to be a good person, a just person, but at the same time I need to make decisions. I want to make very precise, very proper decisions, but I want to keep my instincts, if you will, stay kind. And I don’t always succeed. There are things or subjects for which I’m able to have a lot of emotions, and others where I feel nothing. And all this is internal things which are powerful. I’m happy to know where I stand but…
There was a lot of things happening within me [while in the booth]. In the end I was able to communicate this anger and this joy to the camera. And most of all I was able to reconnect with myself. In general, I am in sync with my body. I usually know roughly where I’m at, you know? But here [in the booth], I had the opportunity to sit down for five minutes.
We’re all stuck in social roles. Me, I always need to be quite strong, you know, rock-solid. Even when I find myself in a space like this one, I keep a bit of this solidity. Not because I would fall and crumble if I didn’t keep it, but because I feel I’m still able to be so solid, you see? There are moments where I’ll drop down a little, calmly, but I won’t fall. That’s it, that’s where I’m at right now.
To stop is to consolidate. I am exactly in this phase right now. After that you start moving again and you resume climbing. Though I don’t really like this image of climbing, climbing, as if we were always heading…we can’t stop. It’s not that, it’s…to open oneself. Indeed, I want to open myself to new experiences, to continue adding even more elements and elements. But I really have a lot of anger everywhere, right now.
I am very angry with what is happening in the world. I am very angry with what is happening to me, you see. There are things that I need to fix about myself, and that makes me want to shake things up in the world too. It’s a back-and-forth.
There are injustices… Mm, that doesn’t really tell you much. There are injustices with everything concerning tolerance or covivanza [coexistence] as you have in Italian. A beautiful term... Anything that goes against this, it really gets me going. But, you know, there are a lot of things to which I react instinctively. That’s good, it’s perfectly fine, it’s not a big deal. It’s important. I’m comfortable with that. And I work very hard to turn this anger into a positive energy. It gives a lot of strength if I am able to express it positively, in a somewhat intelligent way. And the desire, above all, to do many more beautiful things.